The “Sun-kissed to Death” Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 23 April 2026
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Eric Columbus, Molly Roberts, and Loren Voss to talk through a few of the week’s big news stories, including:
•“Meet Joe Flack.” The Justice Department’s ongoing investigation into the alleged “grand conspiracy” against President Trump in relation to the 2016 elections and their aftermath has entered a new phase this week with the appointment of Joseph diGenova, a former Reagan-era U.S. Attorney and political commentator, as counselor to the Attorney General in charge of the investigation. Meanwhile, reports indicate that the Justice Department may be preparing to bring charges against former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal Trump critic, whom diGenova has previously called a “traitor” in interviews with Fox News, even after the career attorney previously in charge of the investigation withdrew. What should we make of diGenova’s new role in this investigation? And how seriously should we take these attempts to prosecute Brennan and others allegedly involved in the “grand conspiracy”?
•“No Occupation Without Representation.” A district court officially closed out Trump v. Illinois this week, that case that ultimately led the Supreme Court to invalidate the grounds on which the Trump administration had federalized and deployed national guard troops to several states last year over the objections of their governors. But while those deployments have ended, other deployments remain ongoing – including the more than 2,500 soldiers that are still on the streets of Washington, D.C., whose deployments are expected to last as long as 2029. What are the limits on these other forms of domestic deployment? And what space does Trump v. Illinois leave for the Trump administration to renew more aggressive deployments if it sees fit?
•“Hungary for Change.” Last week, Hungary voted to end the sixteen year reign of Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his Fidesz Party, which have been frequently cited as models for President Trump and his MAGA movement. This was in spite of a last minute visit by U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance, which unsuccessfully sought to shore up support for Orban in the waning days of the campaign. How do we see Orban’s defeat playing out in the U.S. as the conservative movement begins to think about what comes next after the Trump presidency?
For object lessons, Eric recommended The Brick as a way to stop the noise of the internet from distracting you from your work (on your phone, at least). Molly showed off her matryoshka, or Russian nesting dolls, in celebration of the step back in Russian influence in Hungary. Scott celebrated in his own way, by recommending the new spy series Ponies, not so much for its authenticity, but for its incredibly stylish take on 1970s Moscow. And Loren recommended that D.C. locals stop by her favorite chai place, Afghan Chai in Dupont Circle.
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| 0:00.0 | Scott, you look tan, rested, and ready. |
| 0:03.1 | I never look tan. |
| 0:03.9 | Day of my life, Eric. |
| 0:04.8 | You're a damn liar and you know it. |
| 0:06.3 | But that's fine. |
| 0:07.3 | I may look rosy, sun-kissed by some accounts. |
| 0:10.4 | There you go. |
| 0:10.9 | Yeah, I got to spend, you know, the last week in a tropical locale, although traveling with two young kids is not, I would say, vacationing like experience, a restful experience, |
| 0:23.7 | to say the very least. |
| 0:25.3 | But, you know, especially when my kids, if your kids are like my kids, meaning they're |
| 0:28.0 | incredibly fair-skinned, if not outright gingers like my daughter, meaning like me, |
| 0:32.1 | they have to slather on 100 SPF suntan lotion every 30 minutes to avoid getting a hospital-inducing |
| 0:37.3 | sunburn. |
| 0:38.3 | But despite that, we appeared of all emerged from a week in Florida sun, relatively unscased, |
| 0:43.4 | which is all I can ask. |
| 0:45.0 | Did you all get up to anything exciting for spring break? |
| 0:47.1 | Any travel? |
| 0:48.2 | I had a conference and my husband traveled with our three kids. |
| 0:52.2 | Wow. |
| 0:53.5 | That is ambitious. And I am so proud of him, but |
| 0:57.0 | at the same time, I got out of my meeting and I got a phone call that was like, we rented an |
| 1:02.8 | Airbnb and there's a snake in the house. And he sends me a photo and it's not like a little |
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