I think so many people that are really driven in their careers do it from an unhealthy place

because it's to mask the fact that they feel that they're not enough.

So I was always driven to make it as an actor and I wouldn't take no for an answer and I was

relentless and I'm grateful for that because I had a good career,

but at the same time, it came out of feeling like I wasn't enough and I wouldn't be lovable

unless I got recognition and money and I wouldn't even say fame.

I wasn't really so much about fame.

I just wanted to be recognized for my work and, well, I wanted to be

adored externally because I didn't adore myself internally. Very excited for today's episode.

That wisdom nugget that you just heard there was for my friend, Rain Wilson. And you're certainly

going to know Rain Wilson from his Emmy-nominated

SAG Award winning role as Dwight Shrut on NBC's The Office, which I don't know how many seasons

that thing ran, but an absolutely epic show. And this particular episode today with Rain is one of my favorites in a long time,

specifically because it asks big questions with foundational,

principled, responsible paths through these huge questions.

Namely, we're talking about Rain's new book,

which is called Soul Boom,

Why We Need a Spiritual Revolution.

Now, of course, you know, Rain, he's hilarious, right?

He's an actor, producer.

He's written other books before. He's been on the show,

a guest on the show, at least one other time to my memory. He created a media company called Soul

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