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Max Lugavir joins me today.

Max is a New York Times bestselling author, health journalist, and filmmaker.

Now, you might know him from his groundbreaking

books, Genius Foods, and The Genius Life, where he combines cutting-edge science with practical

advice to help people optimize their health and live longer, better lives. He's also the host of

the Genius Life podcast, where he dives deep into nutrition, brain health, and everything

in between. Max is here with me today to shine a light on something many of us don't think about

enough, the conflicts of interest between our government health agencies and private industry.

We're going to explore how entanglements, like the revolving door employment policy,

lobbyists and research grants affect public health and what we can do to make informed choices in a

system that's designed to prioritize profit over people. Let's get into it.

Keeping it real with Jillian Michael. So I have a, my nicotine, you're addicting me to nicotine here. Oh no. I got like a big chunk of nicotine in the side of my face. Oh, man. Well, yeah, I'm, uh... It was your fault. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Are you sure about this?

Can I indemnify myself somehow?

No.

I just, you know... It's like a fear.

How do you feel?

That's the most important thing.

I don't actually notice it because it's only like one milligram.

Because, I mean, initially when people first try, they get like really lightheaded.

Are you okay? We good? Okay. No, I'm good.

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