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The Daily - The Sunday Read: ‘This Was Trump Pulling a Putin’

Is there a connection between former President Donald J. Trump’s pressure campaign on Ukraine, the Russian invasion and the events of Jan. 6, 2021?

The journalist Robert Draper talked to Fiona Hill, John Bolton and other former Trump advisers to gauge the extent to which the ex-president’s actions had a ripple effect.

The Sunday Read: ‘This Was Trump Pulling a Putin’

My name is Robert Draper and I'm a contributing writer to the New York Times magazine.

I've been listening to various podcasts in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Ezra's guest was Dr. Fiona Hill, who made a career out of studying authoritarian behavior

and worked across multiple presidential administrations, including Donald Trump's, as the

He's certainly got strategic goals that he's trying to fulfill.

A respect of a whether we might think that those are mad goals, you know, from our perspective.

These are goals that he has put forward for quite a period of time, including about Ukraine,

And what he sees is some kind of monumental struggle with the United States for Russia's

right to exist in the world, and he's suddenly framed it in this way as well.

I figured that there were ramifications for Ukraine as a result of Trump's disrespectful

behavior towards the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, in 2019.

One likely outcome was the emboldening of the Russian president Vladimir Putin.

But it additionally got me thinking about other things.

I was at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and I realized that there was probably not only

a connection between how Trump dealt with Ukraine in 2019 and what happened in Ukraine

since that time, but also how Trump responded to staving off an impeachment conviction in

2020 and the kind of behavior he exhibited in his efforts to overturn the election.

So I thought that individuals like Fiona Hill, who had witnessed the president's behavior,

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0:00.0	My name is Robert Draper and I'm a contributing writer to the New York Times magazine.
0:09.8	I've been listening to various podcasts in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
0:15.3	One of those was Ezra Klein's show.
0:17.8	Ezra's guest was Dr. Fiona Hill, who made a career out of studying authoritarian behavior
0:24.1	and worked across multiple presidential administrations, including Donald Trump's, as the
0:29.4	Inhouse Russia expert.
0:31.2	Putin remains a strategic thinking.
0:33.7	He's certainly got strategic goals that he's trying to fulfill.
0:37.8	A respect of a whether we might think that those are mad goals, you know, from our perspective.
0:43.6	These are goals that he has put forward for quite a period of time, including about Ukraine,
0:48.4	but also about the rollback of NATO.
0:50.6	And what he sees is some kind of monumental struggle with the United States for Russia's
0:55.6	right to exist in the world, and he's suddenly framed it in this way as well.
0:59.6	I figured that there were ramifications for Ukraine as a result of Trump's disrespectful
1:05.3	behavior towards the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, in 2019.
1:11.3	One likely outcome was the emboldening of the Russian president Vladimir Putin.
1:19.8	But it additionally got me thinking about other things.
1:23.4	I was at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and I realized that there was probably not only
1:29.5	a connection between how Trump dealt with Ukraine in 2019 and what happened in Ukraine
1:35.3	since that time, but also how Trump responded to staving off an impeachment conviction in
1:42.0	2020 and the kind of behavior he exhibited in his efforts to overturn the election.
1:47.8	So I thought that individuals like Fiona Hill, who had witnessed the president's behavior,
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