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The Sunday Debate: It’s Time to Treat China Like an Adversary not a Partner

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4.21.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2021

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

We are in a second Cold War with China. That’s the conclusion many experts have come to as they observe China’s increasingly aggressive behaviour beyond its borders – its suppression of democracy in Hong Kong, its sabre-rattling towards Taiwan, the vast espionage offensive against the West’s technology, not to mention the confrontational tone of its new ‘wolf warrior’ diplomacy. That’s the argument of the China hawks, but not everyone agrees. Some believe that coexistence with China, not confrontation, should be the West’s goal. After all, allowing tensions to escalate to an actual war is too horrific to contemplate. We should put our faith in diplomacy and work to persuade the Chinese leadership that it is in their best interests to cooperate within the existing world order, instead of trying to dominate it. So how should the West respond? Arguing for the motion were Nathan Law, Hong Kong activist and former legislator, currently in exile; and Alan Mendoza, Co-Founder and Executive Director of The Henry Jackson Society. Arguing against the motion were Shirley Yu, Professor and Director of the China-Africa Initiative at the London School of Economics; and Vince Cable, former Leader of the Liberal Democrats and author of The China Conundrum. The debate was chaired by Manveen Rana, Senior investigative journalist and host of The Times and Sunday Times flagship podcast Stories of Our Times. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/intelligencesquared. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Sunday debate on Intelligent Squared.

0:03.4

This week we're looking at the relationship between the West and China, and this was

0:06.8

the third debate we've staged in person since the COVID-19 restrictions have been lifted

0:11.5

here in the UK, and if you do enjoy it and want to join some of our upcoming debates,

0:15.8

ask your questions, vote on the motion, and much more.

0:18.7

You can do so in person or via the live stream on our subscription service Intelligent

0:22.9

Squared Plus with details on IntelligentSquared.com, but now let's go to this week's debate

0:27.0

with host, Manvina Rana.

0:28.0

Thank you.

0:29.0

Hello, good evening, and welcome to Intelligent Squared.

0:39.1

Tonight's debate is it time to treat China as an adversary or a partner?

0:44.3

We're very lucky tonight to have four brilliant speakers to help us decide, but before we do,

0:49.6

we just wanted to get a sense of where audience opinions lies.

0:53.6

Would you vote now and tell us whether you will fall or against the motion?

0:57.8

If you're not sure at this stage, and hopefully we might swing European in one way or the

1:02.0

other by the end of the night, but if you're not sure, please vote undecided.

1:05.8

We'll announce the pre-vote results after we've heard the speeches.

1:10.9

Tonight's debate really couldn't be more timely.

1:14.9

We began the week with the leaders of the world descending on Glasgow.

1:19.0

So what was the most important world gathering on climate change?

1:25.2

President Xi, the leader of China, failed to turn up.

1:28.5

The American President Joe Biden called it a big mistake and criticized China as a nation

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