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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

The Subtext: Yesteryear and the Trad Wife Movement with Beth Allison Barr

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

Lee Camp

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 555 Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

We have a substitute teacher on today's episode! Lee is out of town, so Savannah called upon All the Buried Women co-host Beth Allison Barr to step in. The trad wife dream might look beautiful on camera, but what if you actually have to live it? What happens when a woman who sells the fantasy of "traditional" womanhood wakes up and has to actually live it? Using Yesteryear as a jumping-off point, Savannah sits down with historian and author Beth Allison Barr to dissect the trad wife movement, what it promises, what it erases, and what women actually lost before they had the legal right to say no. Things we mentioned in this episode: All the Buried Women podcast For All Mankind on Apple TV A Rome of One's Own by Emma Southon Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke Meditations for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman The Five by Hallie Rubenhold Follow The Subtext: Instagram | Threads | X | YouTube | TikTok Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter | Lee's Newsletter Follow Savannah: Instagram | Substack Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, Beth, welcome to our show.

0:01.6

Hi, Savannah.

0:02.3

It's so fun to be here.

0:03.7

Isn't it so exciting?

0:05.0

It's nice.

0:05.9

And you are on the tail end of having a magical time in the archives for the Southern

0:10.8

Baptist Convention.

0:12.1

Magical time indeed.

0:14.3

I mean, it is really fun.

0:16.2

I remember when we were doing research for all the buried women, people were like, what are the archives

0:21.9

like? And I was like, envision hundreds, if not thousands of bankers boxes that are organized,

0:31.5

like alphabetically sometimes, sometimes by topic, that you just get to go through and rummage.

0:35.9

Right. And they have folders that have

0:38.2

letters and people's correspondence and sometimes saying things that they might not have really

0:44.2

wanted for people to be reading several decades later. Strangers from 2026. That's exactly right,

0:50.1

but it's all there. It is really magical. I remember one of my favorite things that I read in the archives was from a Southern Baptist missionary named Bertha Smith.

0:57.4

Yes. She has several boxes of her own. And what decade was she around? So she died in the late 80s or early 90s.

1:06.7

Yeah. So I think these must have been from like the 30s or 40s, maybe or 50s around there.

1:11.5

And I was able to find her journals.

1:14.4

And I read through all of her journals.

1:16.3

And it was just really moving to read someone's personal experience who was doing something that was really new for her time, especially being a woman in that era.

1:27.4

And so I really love the archives. And I'm so happy you've been able to spend time there.

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