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Hello, it's Ian Dale with a bit of an apology because when we recorded today's podcast,

my line dropped after 11 minutes, and I thought it had downloaded

that section and we could just meld them together.

Unfortunately, we've just found out that that 11 minutes has disappeared, so, which is a bit

of a shame because Jackie and I had a right old ding-dong about Pretty Patel, and we were

in the middle of a ding-dong about Dominic Cummings attending

the sage meeting but we have actually got most of that so it's a bit you haven't got the normal

sort of banter about how we're doing and all the rest of it at the beginning so many apologies

for that we will try to do better on Saturday but you still have an hour of us talking about

Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's

new baby, whether he should take paternity leave. Actually, I think it's just been announced

he's going to do that later in the year, so that discussion was a bit superfluous, and we

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