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Jason Gattis podcast here, folks.

I am just going to throw this out there.

I feel when I think of this subject, the state of the world, I feel both defeated, discouraged, disheartened,

and I feel motivated to do something about it.

So I feel it all.

Okay.

I wrote a substack recently on what the men in power right now are modeling to our sons. And they're modeling a kind of male

leadership that is unacceptable to me. Look, I have studied people for a long time and I understand

we have shadows. I have tons of issues myself. There is no perfect human. I get it. So when I talk about

this subject, I'm not talking about this utopian bullshit where we can all walk around like

Jesus or Gandhi or, well, Gandhi's a bad example because we know he made some pretty, he was pretty violent with his wife,

for example. But we can't be Jesus or the Buddha. We are just going to be ourselves. And hopefully

we're a work in progress. We want to be a more loving being. If we're listening to shows like

this, we're not interested in power over.

You know, if you're listening to me and you've listened to me for years, you're interested in

pro-relationship world, which just means we actually consider the impact of our behavior on other

people. We care about others. Of course, we judge people and we, you know, avoid people and we do all that.

And we act out sometimes and we make mistakes and we blame and we judge and we defend and we do all

the things. And I think it's not too much to ask to have a president running our country that is more morally sound.

In the last episode, I talked about moral development briefly.

And I was listening to something by David Brooks recently, and he talked about,

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