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The State of the State Department

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2017

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Virginia Heffernan talks to Steve Coll, the dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and a writer at the New Yorker, about where things stand at the State Department and why Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's silence is damaging to United States foreign policy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

The following podcast contains explicit language.

0:04.6

Moments ago, White House Secretary Sean Spicer acknowledged that the president believes

0:08.8

three to five million votes were illegally cast in November.

0:11.8

You won the election. What are you complaining about?

0:14.4

There is no widespread evidence of massive voter fraud.

0:17.9

And there is a reason they are providing no evidence.

0:20.6

There is no evidence. It is not true.

0:23.2

Hello and welcome to Trumpcast. I'm Virginia Heffernan.

0:31.0

So the idea that the Trump administration is routinely in violation of political norms

0:36.4

has become an article of faith among observers of Trump and company.

0:40.6

You might even call it the norm to report how abnormal all this is.

0:46.4

But to stress that something's abnormal, you have to first know what normal should be,

0:50.9

which brings us to one of the gifts of the Trump era.

0:54.1

The late life civics lesson that many of us are getting

0:57.7

in what actually are the norms of the American government.

1:01.4

What counts as a conflict of interest?

1:04.0

What's nepotism?

1:05.5

What's due process?

1:07.0

It's like we're all learning this at once.

1:09.2

So remember when Trump suddenly fired all those U.S. attorneys?

1:13.1

It looked like yet another effort to capsize the ship of state.

1:16.8

But it turns out it's kind of normal for a new president to clean house in this way.

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