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🗓️ 2 October 2025
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| 0:00.0 | Steve Felsing is a senior fellow at Carnegie's Democracy, Conflict, and Governance Program |
| 0:07.8 | where he focuses on the intersection of technology, human rights, and global politics. |
| 0:11.6 | He's also the author of two books, The Rise of Digital Repression, How Technology is Reshaping |
| 0:16.7 | Power Politics and Resistance. That came out in 2021. And then an incoming book, Bites and Bullets, |
| 0:22.8 | Global, Rivalry, Private Tech, and the New Shape of Modern Warfare coming out next year. We wanted |
| 0:28.3 | to get Stephen on the show today to inform us about a subject that we think is just an important |
| 0:32.4 | to keep our eyes on, which I'll call the state of authoritarian technology or repression technology, |
| 0:39.8 | technology that assist authoritarian states in the repression of its citizenry. |
| 0:44.6 | Stephen, to start off this interview, how is the outlook of repression technology? I'll admit |
| 0:50.0 | when I wake up at the morning, I don't really think about how mature or sophisticated this |
| 0:54.1 | tech sector is on net how mature or sophisticated this tech |
| 0:54.3 | sector is on net. How capable is this tech sector today? How fast is it progressing? |
| 1:00.6 | It's pretty progressing fast. First of all, thanks for having me on as well. I really appreciate it. |
| 1:05.5 | The sector is progressing fast. It's something that I think, you know, it's an interesting arc that we've seen. I would say, |
| 1:12.5 | you know, if you go back about 15 years around that time, there was a moment where there was a real |
| 1:17.7 | emphasis, I think, on liberation technology, on the idea that different digital tools could |
| 1:22.6 | really liberate and empower people to fight back against state control and so forth. And I think there's been a real |
| 1:28.9 | reversal since then that governments have gotten clued into the power of these technologies. |
| 1:34.1 | These technologies continue to get more effective and cheaper. And things like surveillance, |
| 1:39.4 | biometrics, and so forth have become ubiquitous around the world no matter where you are. |
| 1:44.4 | So I think what's interesting is that they become more common, they become cheaper to use, |
| 1:48.3 | and there's someone that is all around us to a much greater degree. |
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