Hi, everyone. This is Curtis, and I am excited to tell you about a new feature of the GoodFaith podcast, and it's called Campfire Stories.

Now, in a great campfire, everyone has the opportunity to share their stories. And so, in Campfire Stories, we want to hear from you.

We want to hear a story about what you are doing along the themes of the GoodFaith podcast, perhaps it's something about how you're living out your relationships with political polarization, how you are trying to reflect the image of God in your institution and organization, or what you're doing with your money, or your vocation, anything that has been sparked by the themes that we've covered here in the GoodFaith podcast is fear game.

It doesn't matter if it's a big story, a small story, or something in between, as long as it's a story about what you are doing in your life.

We're not so much interested in hearing just thoughts. We want to hear stories of doing.

So, we'll put a link in the show notes where you can just click on it and then supply us the basic outlines of your story of doing, of living out the themes of GoodFaith podcast.

And we'll look at it and we may invite you to share that story on a GoodFaith blog, a social media, or perhaps even invite you to come on the GoodFaith show yourself and talk to me and share your story.

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Welcome to the GoodFaith podcast. I'm David French with Curtis Chang and we're going to talk about leadership today.

And we're going to talk about the spiritual power of leadership and the occasion for it. And this is something Curtis and I have been talking about for the last several days.

The occasion for it is, of course, the war in Ukraine. And the occasion for it is the very thing that I wrote about last Sunday and my Sunday French press, which if you haven't read it, we'll put it in the show notes.

And that is why is it? Why is it that the West has responded in such a visceral way? And this is something that's not just happening in the United States. It's happening in Europe. There are reports of even season,

diplomats and politicians become very emotional and being confronted with by Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, and why he has connected so deeply in the days since the Russian attack began.

And this is not going to be a Zelensky podcast. We're going to talk about Zelensky as a launching pad to talk about the power of leadership more broadly.

But let's start with the Zelensky. And Curtis, I think we both have some thoughts beyond what I've written about already about what's happening with him and why this has sort of created a moment in the West and in the United States.

And you had some thoughts on that. So let's start with you and then roll from there.

Well, I think the key is the depth of impact that you've been talking about, David, that this impact that Zelensky is having is, it really goes to at a very deep, I would say, spiritual level. That's something about people's spirits are being touched.

Contrast the impact that he's having with what many leaders have, which is really just an instrumental impact. And by that, I mean, you know, we might share on a leader because instrumentally that leader is advancing something that serves our interests.

So I could root for a politician that promises that she or he will lower my taxes, right? Like, you know, go, yes.

But that's the purely instrumental appeal to my self-interest. And Zelensky has some of that. I mean, as Americans, as Westerners, as Christians, we should root that he prevails against Russian aggression. That is to our interest that he wins in that regard.

But clearly, there's something deeper, more intrinsic about that. And I think that that word inspirational is key here.

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