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Hello and welcome back to The Spectator podcast. I'm Laura Prendergast. This week, I take a look at the War on Meat,

have vegans won the moral argument against carnivores? Plus, I also look at the Archbishop of

Canterbury's comments in this week's issue of The Spectator, where he's interviewed by Fraser Nelson,

and we look at why he isn't that bothered about Anglicans defecting to the Catholic Church.

And finally, we look at Michael Gove's crusade against wood-burning stoves.

What do you do when a vegan friend comes over for dinner?

It wasn't so long ago that this would have induced a panic in most hosts, but that's

probably not the case any longer. According to the vegan society, demand for vegan food increased tenfold

in 2017, and people on plant-based diets has quadrupled. So is meat eating now a fringe movement?

I'm joined by Jenny McCartney, who writes in this week's cover article that the war on meat

has only just begun, and Dominica Piersacker, a spokesperson for the vegan society.

So Jenny, you say that the war on meat, as you describe it, has become a bit like Brexit,

with both sides thinking the worst of each other. Why do you think this has happened?

Well, I think partly due to the internet and partly the style of our political debate now,

is that everything has become a part of identity politics. And I can see

that the question of whether you're a carnivore or a herbivore is sort of becoming tied into wider

issues of identity, even associated with masculinity, femininity, left, right politics. And it's quite

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