Hey everyone. Bonus episode four, The Soul of the Story, is special for a couple of reasons.

First, the discussion is between me and Lisa Joyner, my best friend and the podcast's executive

producer. And second, Lisa gets to the beating heart of the man who calculated death by asking

me about the women in the story. She jumps right in with my mom, who

kick-started this whole project with her dying wish, that my sisters and I finish the

memoir she'd started about her war-torn childhood. Here's Lisa. Well, to be quite fair, I mean,

what she did put on you was quite a task. I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not,

can you, you know, close up my belongings and put my car to her and maybe sell the house. It's,

can you unmask this, you know, dark history and find out who killed my mother. You know what I mean?

That's a lot.

I mean, if I had known everything that it was going to take,

I don't know if I would have had the strength and the courage and the stick-to-itiveness.

That was one of my mom's favorite words, a stick-to-itiveness, to actually do it,

because it turned out to be so much

more work than anyone expected.

And the reason behind that is, you know, she had written this memoir from her child's perspective.

But as a journalist, I didn't feel like I could finish that in the way that I needed to without

understanding the whole story.

And she didn't go into, you know, my grandfather's connection to the, I have to say,

Yotsie party, which is so dumb, but for the AI, you know, to that party, to the National

Socialists. She didn't go into what her responsibility

was, you know, really as a, as a descendant of a Nazi scientists. So I felt like I needed to know

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