Hey everyone, it's Suzanne, and for bonus episode three, we go behind the scenes of The Man Who Calculated Death with John Cryer, the podcast's executive producer.

Hope you enjoy some of the backstory to how my family ancestry got told and what's to come in season two.

So, Suzanne Rico, I am John Cryer, the producer of your podcast of the man who calculated death.

So you've had, obviously, your family story your whole life.

What made you think that you could make this into a podcast?

Well, it all started when my mom died, and she had left a partly written memoir that her

dying wish was that my sisters and I finish it.

So that kicked off this quest to know more, not just about her, but about World War II

Germany and my grandfather's role in World War II, which was a big role that I never knew anything about.

I mean, my mom when we were little, she would say, oh, if we asked, oh, your grandfather was

a genius, and that's it.

Boom.

End of story.

She didn't want to talk about it.

So that's how the ball got rolling and then it rolled for many, many years.

Yes.

Yes, this has been a podcast many years in the making.

Suzanne got months and months of GoPro footage and audio, and it ended up consuming your life

for a while.

Yeah, it really has.

In fact, talking about it, I can feel like the hair of my arms and my

neck stand up because it feels like when I talked about my mom, it feels so emotionally

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