The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick
Typology
Ian Morgan Cron
4.6 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 18 April 2025
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
This week on Typology, I sat down with my dear friend, therapist and spiritual director, Michael Cusick for a raw, wise, and deeply compassionate conversation about the connection between attachments and our path to healing.
Michael—founder of Restoring the Soul and a true guide for the journey inward—helps us unpack the idea that our symptoms (anxiety, compulsions, burnout, you name it) aren’t signs we’re broken…but sacred signals that our soul is calling for care.
We talk about:
- How trauma, shame, and burnout stand in the way of our relationship with God
- Why “trying harder” doesn’t lead to transformation
- What spiritual bypassing actually looks like—and how to avoid it
- The Four S’s of attachment -- seeing, soothing, safety, and security – and the crucial role they play in spiritual healing
This is one of those episodes you’ll want to listen to more than once and maybe share with a friend who’s in the thick of it.
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| 0:00.0 | Oh, typology, friends, today is the day. |
| 0:09.0 | May I introduce to you one of my oldest and dearest friends of all time. |
| 0:18.0 | Therapists, pastor, anagram two with a three wing, my confrere, my partner in crime, |
| 0:28.5 | Michael Cusick. |
| 0:30.6 | Michael, welcome to typology. |
| 0:33.2 | Thank you. |
| 0:34.2 | I think I'm blushing. |
| 0:36.0 | Oh, I just thought maybe you had high blood pressure. |
| 0:40.5 | Or rosacea, which I do. |
| 0:46.5 | Michael, we're going to be talking about what life is like as an an anagram too, but more importantly, we're going to be talking about your new book, Sacred Attachment, Escaping |
| 0:54.3 | Spiritual Exhaustion and Trusting in Divine Love. |
| 0:59.1 | I'm stoked because I have heard you teach this material numerous times. |
| 1:04.3 | I know how expert you are at unpacking difficult ideas, making them accessible and real for people, |
| 1:14.8 | particularly when we start getting into the realm of attachment theory. |
| 1:19.0 | And I cannot wait for our folks to hear it. |
| 1:22.1 | Actually, I can't wait for Anthony to hear it because he has a lot of problems. |
| 1:25.3 | And I'm trying to fix him in a very sideways fashion by having you on the show. |
| 1:31.2 | Oh, stop, you're crying, Anthony. |
| 1:33.6 | That's why I wore this muscle. |
| 1:35.8 | I can't see it, but I'm wiping my tears with my handkerchief that I haven't really like. |
| 1:40.3 | There it is. |
| 1:40.8 | He's not carrying a hand. |
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