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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics.

It's Thursday, January 28th. I'm Dorothy Wickendon, executive editor of with New Yorker writers and editors about politics. It's Thursday, January 28th.

I'm Dorothy Wickenden, executive editor of The New Yorker.

Do we really think it makes sense to lock so many people alone in tiny cells for 23 hours a day,

for months, sometimes four years at a time? That is not going to make us safer.

That was President Obama last July.

This week, in a Washington Post-Uped piece, he announced the removal of juveniles, the mentally ill,

and minor criminals from solitary confinement in federal prisons. Jennifer Gahnerman joins me to discuss the issue and the broader debate about mass incarceration.

Hi, Jen.

Hi there.

Tell us a little bit about solitary confinement and federal prisons.

Sure, there are about 100,000 people, men and women in prisons across the country are in solitary confinement.

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