So I've asked you about Gillen.

What struck you when you talked to Jeffrey Epstein and about the way he talked about young women?

That they were really disposable service providers.

You're sort of like landscapers.

There's these annoyances that just wanted to be paid again

and didn't really deserve to be.

I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. Today's guest comes armed with a tape

of his conversation with Jeffrey Epstein. And we're going to be playing

you clips from that tape, literally a voice from the grave. And this was when our guest,

George Rush, was running the most important gossip column in New York. He and his wife, Joanna

Malloy, ran a column called Rush and Malloy,

which was the first thing you had to read every morning to understand what the city's power

brokers were up to. Well, of course, Jeffrey Epstein was up to no good, as George Rush had learned,

from a tip from someone living on El Brillo Way, which is where

Jeffrey Epstein had his Florida mansion in Palm Beach. And what George Rush heard from

Epstein's neighbor was that, yes, he was out of jail, but he was up to his old tricks.

So we're going to play you some of the clips from that interview and talk to George about what it was like when Epstein called him.

But before we do that, before we get to those clips, just a plea.

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