I Know What Chaos Trump Is Plotting Next: Wolff

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🗓️ 25 March 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Get 15% off Saily data plans at https://saily.com with promo code Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles to root inside Donald Trump’s mind in real time, as the president wrestles with the Iran war, the spectre of Epstein, and the looming midterms. From bomb threats that evaporate into last-minute negotiations, to backchannel chaos no one can follow, Wolff dissects the whiplash of Trump’s decision-making and the relentless fantasy world he inhabits—where he alone knows more than generals, elections are perpetually stolen, and every problem has a Trump-branded solution. Along the way, the conversation touches on Trump’s obsession with image and the intricate theater of power he stages, showing how drama, delusion, and ambition collide in the mind of a man still convinced only he can save America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	What is to his advantage is just the narrative that the election system in the United States is broken.
0:07.6	And chaos is to his advantage.
0:10.0	I mean, things are terrible for him at this point.
0:12.6	There's another reason he's pushing this along.
0:14.7	This is another kind of distraction.
0:16.9	So it is going to be not that I lost because of the war, because of the economy, because of Minneapolis.
0:24.4	Because of the Epstein files.
0:26.0	It's I lost because the American electoral system is corrupt.
0:35.0	Michael.
0:36.2	Joanna.
0:37.1	I have no idea what's going on.
0:39.3	And then it turns out neither does anybody else?
0:41.3	Least of all.
0:43.3	At least of all where we're going today.
0:45.3	I mean, I think he has no idea.
0:47.3	I mean, truly, he's stuck in a situation that he can't get out of.
0:57.0	What does he do?
0:59.0	What does he do?
1:00.0	He doesn't know.
1:01.0	Doesn't have an idea.
1:03.0	And also there was an amazing bit that I felt we hadn't quite focused on enough when he obviously went through the weekend telling people
1:11.6	he was going to bomb Iran, now he's not going to bomb Iran, now they're in negotiations.
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