Scott, what was your relationship like with your father growing up? What was that like?

Well, I'll answer and then I'll put the question back to you. My dad was married and divorced four times as far as we know. My mom was his second marriage. She started his third marriage while married to my mom.

Wow. You know, not a very sophisticated person. When they got divorced, he moved to Ohio,

so he wasn't very involved in my life. Wasn't a bad father, never abused me, but wasn't as generous

with his time and affection with me and also made my life difficult because my mom and I

struggled economically, and he could have been just a little bit more generous

who had made our lives much easier. So my relationship with my father was pretty distant. And then as

he got older, a big unlock for me, Patrick, as I said, okay, instead of having a scorecard and

thinking, okay, he was this good or not good a father. That's how good

or not good a son I'm going to be. I thought, I really enjoyed time with my father. I want to think of my, what kind of son do I want to be? I want to be a loving, generous son. So that's who I'm going to be. And I'm not going to put away the scorecard. And when I did that about 20, 30 years ago, it was a huge unlock for our relationship.

And the learning and the advice I would give anyone is,

instead of keeping score on, did that about 20, 30 years ago. It was a huge unlock for our relationship. And the learning

and the advice I would give anyone is instead of keeping score on your marriage, your friends,

you know, ask yourself, what kind of husband do you want to be? What kind of member of the congregation

of your church do you want to be? What kind of business partner do you want to be? What kind of boss do you want

to be? And just be that man and put away the scorecard because you'll naturally inflate your contribution

to the relationship and accidentally diminish theirs. And if you have a scorecard, you're always going to,

you're always going to be upset or angry or feel like you're not getting the better end of the deal.

So what the unlock I got from my father was just

be the person in that relationship you envision and put away put away the scorecard. And that was a

huge unlock for me and made my relationship with my father much more productive. What was your

relationship like with your father, Patrick? My dad and my parents got a divorce twice to each other.

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