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I'm Adi Ignatius.

I'm Alison Beard, and this is the HPR Ideacast.

Alison, you know, I spend a lot of my job now speaking with C-suite executives and other leaders,

and there are things that

they'll talk about in the press, that they'll talk about publicly. And then there are the closed-door

conversations that they have about the state of the world and about the role of business in it.

Those conversations are often very different. Today, we're going to be looking at the relationship

between the business community and the government, how that seems to have changed in the U.S. and how business leaders can best handle this new environment.

Yeah, I'm incredibly interested in learning more about how business leaders think about the world today, because so much of the uncertainty that we talk about really does come down to these political decisions,

whether that's changing tariffs and trade wars or military action that's affecting every

kind of business, not just the obvious ones. And I think it's really hard for leaders right now

to figure out if when, how to react and even weigh in.

Yeah, so look, we want to go big picture today and look specifically at how leaders are

and how maybe they should be navigating these waters. Our guest is Yale professor Jeff Sonnenfeld,

who's also the founder and CEO of the Chief Executive Leadership Institute. He's been very outspoken,

criticizing President Trump, and we want to be transparent about that. But we wanted to speak

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