The shift from America First to Trump’s new interventionism
Left, Right & Center
KCRW
3.9 • 5K Ratings
🗓️ 26 December 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Foreign policy took center stage in the first year of President Trump’s second term, which may be a surprise after his America First focus in 2024. The president sought to ease tensions with adversaries while bringing an end to existing conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza. Trump promised an isolationist shift after finding resolutions for those wars. Instead, the back half of 2025 saw the United States enter a new military campaign in the Caribbean and use geopolitics to project Trump’s political values abroad.
Also, panelists Mo Elleithee and Sarah Isgur have had long careers in and around politics. But it wasn’t always their greatest obsession. Join host David Greene for insight into their perspectives on the changes they’ve seen over the last several decades -- and what they really love beyond politics.
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| 0:00.0 | This new Supreme Court term arrives with a stack of high stakes cases on the regular docket. |
| 0:05.4 | A rapidly growing pile of mayhem on the court's shadow docket. |
| 0:09.2 | And a conservative majority hellbent on enabling Trump. |
| 0:12.8 | It's going to be bonkers. |
| 0:14.7 | I'm Dahlia Lithwick. |
| 0:15.7 | And I'm Mark Joseph Stern. |
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| 0:33.5 | Welcome to left, right and center, everybody. |
| 0:35.4 | I'm David Green. |
| 0:36.4 | So President Trump and his administration |
| 0:38.6 | have a whole lot to say about foreign leaders and the way they run their countries, right? |
| 0:44.2 | We hear this admiration for leaders like Vladimir Putin, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, |
| 0:50.4 | also Saudi royalty. We hear admonishment for liberal Canadian leaders, the European Union, and also traditional U.S. adversaries like China and Venezuela. |
| 1:00.7 | Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, called President Nicholas Maduro illegitimate in a press conference late last week, referring to the leader of Venezuela. |
| 1:08.8 | But to close this year, I thought we might want to |
| 1:12.2 | turn the lens back on the United States and focus on how other countries might see us, |
| 1:18.9 | our country, and our leaders, you know, the image that we are sending to the global community |
| 1:23.3 | about a year now into Trump's second term. How does the rest of the world see America? |
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