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It Could Happen Here

The Shady Business of Lethal Injection: The Heart Stops Reluctantly

It Could Happen Here

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

Society & Culture, Daily News, Politics, News

4.36.2K Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

In this first episode of a three-part series on lethal injection in the United States, guest hosts Steve Monacelli and Dr. Michael Phillips describe the futile quest for a “humane” form of execution, from the 1600s to the present day.  They explore how each one has turned out to be extremely violent, prompting authorities to move such “gruesome spectacles” out of public view.  Finally, they describe how the prospect of a televised execution in the electric chair led to the lethal injection protocol, pioneered by Texas in 1982.

Sources:

Corinna Barrett Lain, Secrets of the Killing State: The Untold Story of Lethal Injection (New York: New York University Press, 2025.)

Michael Phillips and Betsy Friauf, The Purifying Knife: The Troubling History of Eugenics in Texas (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 2025.) 

Austin Sarat, Gruesome Spectacles: Botched Executions and America’s Death Penalty (Stanford: Stanford University Press, 2014.)

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:05.9

CallZone Media.

0:07.8

A warning.

0:09.0

This episode includes violent content, which some listeners might find disturbing.

0:17.1

I'm Michael Phillips, an historian and the author of a history of racism in Dallas called White Metropolis.

0:23.9

And the co-author, with longtime journalist Betsy Freeoff, of the history of eugenics in Texas called The Purifying Knife.

0:31.1

And I'm Stephen Monticelli, a journalist in Dallas who specializes covering political extremism and far-right internet culture for

0:38.1

publications like the Texas Observer, the barbed wire, and others.

0:42.5

On December 7, 1982, the state of Texas made history in a particularly grim way.

0:49.7

It became the first government anywhere in the world to put a prisoner to death by lethal injection.

0:55.8

This innovation was meant to make the grisly business of executing murderers swift and humane.

1:02.0

More accurately, it was meant to convince the witnesses of executions, and by extension the general public,

1:08.4

that what they were watching didn't violate the United States

1:11.4

Constitution's Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment. In fact, lethal injection is based

1:19.6

on junk science. And those who die that way may actually suffer more and over a longer time

1:25.8

than prisoners who were executed by electric chairs six decades ago.

1:30.0

In many ways, lethal injection is a con game designed to hide from the public that their government

1:35.0

is torturing prisoners to death. As the University of Richmond law professor, Perinna Lane,

1:41.5

the author of recently published book, Secrets of the Killing State,

1:45.1

The Untold Story of Lethal Injection, told us...

1:48.0

What I've come to conclude is that lethal injection only does one thing well.

1:53.7

Only one.

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