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🗓️ 5 November 2025
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In the second episode of the lethal injection series, Steve Monacelli and Michael Phillips interview Dick Reavis, a journalist who witnessed the world’s first execution by lethal injection, that of Charlie Brooks in Texas in 1982. They report on how the lethal injection method was improvised after a Dallas reporter won a temporary court order allowing television stations to broadcast executions. Worried that a televised electrocution might turn the public against the death penalty, Texas politicians instead approved lethal injection. An Oklahoma coroner who admitted he had no expertise in chemistry and knew a lot about dead bodies but not “how to get them that way,” improvised the three-drug protocol eventually used by all death-penalty states, with horrifying results. Then, Monacelli and Phillips interview law professor Corinna Lain, who says that rather than a supposedly painless death, lethal injection is more like a slow drowning.
Sources:
Corinna Barrett Lain, Secrets of the Killing State: The Untold Story of Lethal Injection (New York: New York University Press, 2025.)
Dick Reavis, “Charlie Brooks’ Last Words,” Texas Monthly (February 1983.)
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:05.9 | A warning. |
| 0:09.0 | This episode includes violent content, which some listeners might find disturbing. |
| 0:16.2 | I'm Michael Phillips, an historian and the author of a history of racism in Dallas called White Metropolis, and the co-author with longtime journalist Betsy Freeoff of the history |
| 0:26.1 | of eugenics in Texas called The Purifying Knife. And I'm Stephen Monticelli. I'm an investigative |
| 0:31.8 | reporter who specializes in political extremism and far-right internet culture, and I contribute |
| 0:36.4 | to outlets like the Texas Observer, |
| 0:38.3 | the Barb Blyer, and more. In the last episode, we began exploring the shady history |
| 0:44.2 | behind the most popular form of capital punishment in the United States, lethal injection. |
| 0:49.6 | We described how one after another, execution by hanging, then the electric chair, and then the |
| 0:55.3 | gas chamber was touted as cleanest, quickest, most modern and painless way to put a person to death. |
| 1:01.7 | Each method, however, proved more violent and gruesome than previously expected. |
| 1:06.9 | In order to prevent a groundswell of opposition to the death penalty, politicians responded by abolishing public executions and the 1970s latched on to lethal injection as the newest, gentlest, and kindest method of state killing. |
| 1:21.6 | As discussed in the first episode, the lethal injection protocol was designed by an Oklahoma coroner, Dr. Stephen Crawford, |
| 1:28.9 | who once admitted to an interviewer that although he was an expert in dead bodies, |
| 1:32.6 | he didn't know how to get him that way. |
| 1:34.8 | Authorities turned to Crawford because doctors, who dealt with living bodies, |
| 1:39.4 | wanted nothing to do with executions. |
| 1:41.9 | So Crawford designed a three drug protocol for executions that he made up |
| 1:45.3 | pretty much out of thin air, reasoning that if one deadly drug was good for killing, then three |
| 1:49.4 | drugs would be even better. The problem was that the three drugs counteract each other, |
| 1:53.9 | and would result in longer executions and in deaths that resembled slow drowning. |
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