The Second Estate: Where Billionaires Don’t Pay. You Do. (with Ray D. Madoff)
Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer
Civic Ventures
4.7 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 14 April 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory. |
| 0:10.6 | The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked. |
| 0:14.7 | But what's the alternative? |
| 0:16.3 | Middle-out economics is the answer. |
| 0:18.6 | Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence. |
| 0:23.2 | That's right. |
| 0:28.7 | This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out. |
| 0:36.9 | Welcome to the show. |
| 0:44.3 | You know what tomorrow is, Nick? |
| 0:46.8 | Very special day. Do you know what tomorrow is? |
| 0:49.0 | I think it's tax day. |
| 0:50.4 | Well, I was going to say it's my birthday, but yeah, it's also tax day. |
| 0:55.0 | It makes a lot of sense, considering how much I talk about taxes and over the years how I focused on that and I'm a tax day baby. |
| 1:07.0 | I did not realize that, but all of a sudden it makes perfect sense. And so we have a tax day, |
| 1:17.2 | not really my birthday themed podcast today, but a tax day themed podcast. Yeah. We're going to be |
| 1:24.9 | talking about taxes with a tax lawyer, a professor of tax law. |
| 1:29.6 | And why wouldn't we? |
| 1:30.9 | So much better than the way I normally celebrate my birthday, which is, as a kid, which was with a pacidic birthday cake. |
| 1:38.3 | If you ever had one of those. |
| 1:42.9 | And, you know, the person we're talking to, obviously, is a big tax expert. |
| 1:48.9 | Ray Madoff is a professor at Boston College Law School and director of the Forum on Philanthropy and the Public Good. |
| 1:55.8 | She's also a leading expert on tax policy, wealth, and philanthropy, and is the author of The Second Estate, |
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