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We had an opera situation here.

I know, I was just gonna say.

This guy singing while grilling and blow torching crab.

Crab, yeah.

That's one way to get our attention, right?

This is the Sporkful.

It's not for foodies.

It's for eaters.

I'm Dan Pashman.

Each week on our show, we obsess about food to learn more about people. Quick note, before we get to the show that we have a live taping coming up in Boston, my guest will be Irene Lee, co-founder of May-May Dumblings, Matt Scherer, who you may know better as reporter Matt for Instagram and TikTok, and Ian Koss, who put together that great series called Catching the Codfather that we featured.

I mean, this is an all-star lineup, okay?

May 1st at WBUR City Space in Boston, get info and tickets at sporkful.com slash live.

All right, let's get to it.

This week we're sharing the second of two shows that I recorded on a recent trip to Beijing and Tokyo.

Last week, we explored how the restaurant scene in China has exploded over the last 40 years.

Today, we're going to look at the relationship between China and Japan.

These two nations have a long history of conflict, but things are especially tense right now,

and that's playing out in a lot of ways, including with

seafood. But as I learned when I was there, despite all this geopolitical strife, the situation on the

ground in both countries is more complicated. China and Japan have long been intertwined,

culturally, economically, and geographically. In my few days in both Beijing and Tokyo, I try to get a better sense,

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