The Scopes Trial & the Myth of Warfare between Science & Religion – Prof. Kenneth Kemp
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🗓️ 3 February 2026
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Summary
Prof. Kenneth Kemp reexamines the Scopes “Monkey Trial” to show that it has been mythologized into evidence of a supposed war between science and religion, arguing instead that the real conflicts concerned constitutional law, educational policy, and competing theological and philosophical visions within Christianity.
This lecture was given on October 4th, 2023, at John Hopkins University .
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About the Speakers:
Kenneth W. Kemp is an emeritus professor of philosophy at the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota. After receiving an MA in the History and Philosophy of Science and a PhD in Philosophy from the University of Notre Dame, he taught philosophy, first at the US Air Force Academy and last for many years at the University of St. Thomas. His research interests have included ethics as well as historical and philosophical aspects of the relation between science and religion. His published works include The War That Never Was: Evolution & Christian Theology (Cascade, 2020) and The Origins of Catholic Evolutionism, 1831–1950 (Catholic University of America Press, 2025).
Keywords: Anti-Evolution Laws, Catholic Responses To Evolution, Clarence Darrow,Constitutional Law, Myth Of Warfare Thesis, Public School Education, Scopes Monkey Trial, Science And Religion, Tennessee Butler Act, William Jennings Bryan
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| 0:24.8 | In the closing scene of the man who shot Liberty Valens, |
| 0:28.5 | newspaper editor Maxwell Scott, |
| 0:31.0 | and tells Senator Ransom Stoddard, |
| 0:34.7 | when the legend becomes fact, print the legend. Another day we can talk |
| 0:39.3 | about whether that could ever be good advice, but on that day, the biggest challenge to the |
| 0:44.4 | newspaperman's maxim will be the story of John T. Scopes, the trial of John T. Scopes for |
| 0:51.4 | teaching the evolutionary origin of the human race in a public |
| 0:54.6 | school in Dayton, Tennessee. Law professor Samuel Walker has called that trial one of the most |
| 1:00.7 | famous courtroom battles in American history. In the nine decades since the close of the trial, |
| 1:08.4 | a distorted version of what happened there, the legend, has |
| 1:12.2 | become exhibit A in support of one of the persistent myths of the contemporary secular culture, |
| 1:18.5 | the idea that there's a long-running war between science and religion. |
| 1:23.6 | Popular historian Frederick Lewis Allen, in a book used in American college classrooms for decades, |
| 1:30.4 | wrote that the Scobes trial dramatized one of the most momentous struggles of the age, |
| 1:34.9 | the conflict between religion and science. |
| 1:38.3 | No serious historian of science thinks that what I call the warfare thesis when I'm feeling erratic |
| 1:43.1 | or the warfare myth, when I'm feeling erinic, or the warfare myth when I'm feeling frank, |
| 1:47.0 | correctly characterizes a relationship between these two great aspects of human life and culture. |
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