This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hey gang we we live in a culture that valorizes and lionizes grit, perseverance and stick-toitiveness.

And yes, of course, sometimes those things are great, but my guest today argues quite convincingly in my opinion that often quitting is the

wisest path.

And she's got a lot of research to back this up.

Julia Keller is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, novelist, and play, she's taught at Princeton University and the

University of Chicago. She was the chief book critic at the Chicago

Tribune for many years before she

wrote about quitting, which is going to be the subject of our conversation today is called

quitting, a life strategy.

In this conversation, we talked about the history behind why quitting gets such a bad rap,

what happens in our brains when we quit, the myth of perseverance, that's her phrase,

how to talk to your children about healthy quitting and the power of having a community

of quitters.

This episode is the latest installment of an occasional series we do called Sainly Ambitious.

If you missed last week's episodes, go check them out. We talked

about the science of optimal performance, how to fail well, and how to boost your attention

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