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Stay Tuned with Preet

The Science of Leadership (with Adam Grant)

Stay Tuned with Preet

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Politics, Government, News

4.832.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 December 2018

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Adam Grant is an organizational psychologist and a professor at Wharton Business School. He’s a New York Times bestselling author three times over, and is the co-author of Option B with Sheryl Sandberg. In one of our favorite episodes of the year, from April 2018, Preet speaks with Adam about how to speak truth to power, what makes a good leader, and what advice he has for people in the West Wing. Do you have a question for Preet? Tweet them to @PreetBharara with the hashtag #askpreet, email [email protected], or call 669-247-7338 and leave a voicemail. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:11.1

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0:55.9

From Cafe, welcome to Stay Tuned. I'm Pete Barara.

1:01.9

We tend to favor a narcissist. If you look at who becomes a CEO and you compare multiple

1:06.7

candidates, the more a narcissist a candidate usually gets the job. In elections, too, the

1:11.5

relatively higher score a narcissist in an election is more likely to get the votes.

1:18.1

That's Adam Grant, an organizational psychologist and star professor at Warden Business School.

1:23.5

He's also a New York Times best-selling author three times over. I speak with him about

1:27.5

the qualities of a leader, the pitfalls of charisma, and what makes an organization run well.

1:33.2

Whether that organization is a company, a district attorney's office, or say, a presidential

1:37.5

administration. This has to be one of my favorite conversations of the past year, and I wanted

1:41.6

to bring it back as the year ends. One note, we take this originally in April, and Adam

1:46.7

refers to John Kelly's challenges as Chief of Staff to Donald Trump. While Kelly's

1:51.2

time in that role has come to an end, Adam's wisdom still stands. Maybe the next Chief of

1:56.2

Staff will listen to his suggestions. That's coming up. Stay tuned.

2:06.2

As the days get cold and the news heats up, I'm craving routine, sanity, and healthy

2:11.7

cooking. Most nights, however, there's just no time to cook. So many indictments to

2:16.1

read, so many court transcripts to pour over. It's tempting to get takeout or graze on junk

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