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The Next Big Idea

The Science of Change

The Next Big Idea

Next Big Idea Club

Education, Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture

4.41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 February 2026

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

The only constant is change. You’ve heard it a thousand times. But here’s what the cliche leaves out: Change may be inevitable, but how you respond to it — and who you become because of it — that part’s up to you. Maya Shankar knows a thing or two about this. She’s studied change as a cognitive scientist, explored it on her podcast “A Slight Change of Plans,” and now written a book — The Other Side of Change — about how the hardest moments of our lives can transform us … for the better. In the book, she tells remarkable stories of people overcoming colossal change — debilitating diagnoses, amnesia, incarceration — and extracts universal lessons grounded in the latest science. “When a big change happens to us,” she tells us in this episode, “it can feel like a personal apocalypse of sorts. And that the word apocalypse comes from the Greek word apokálypsis, which actually means revelation. That etymology is instructive. Change can upend us, yes. But it can also reveal things to us.” * * * Watch The Next Big Idea on YouTube! You can find our episodes ⁠⁠here⁠⁠. Follow Rufus on ⁠LinkedIn⁠, subscribe to our ⁠Substack⁠, or send us an email at podcast@nextbigideaclub.com. We love getting fan mail. The best way to support the show is by becoming a Next Big Idea Club member. Learn more at ⁠nextbigideaclub.com⁠, and use code PODCAST for a super secret discount (spoiler: it’s 20% off). That Tim Kreider essay we quoted is called “Reprieve,” and you can find it in his wonderful book We Learn Nothing. The George Saunders clip comes from his lovely conversation with David Marchese, co-host of “The Interview.” You can listen to it here. Sponsored By: Bitdefender — Get 30% off your plan at bitdefender.com/idea Factor — Head to factormeals.com/idea50off and use code idea50off to get 50% off your first box Shopify — Start your $1/month trial at ⁠⁠shopify.com/nbi⁠⁠

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Caleb Bissinger, and I'm Rufus Griskin.

0:03.0

And this is the next big idea.

0:06.0

Today, who you become in life when everything changes.

0:34.0

A relationship implodes.

0:36.3

A routine checkup ends with a serious diagnosis.

0:40.1

A dream is dashed.

0:41.9

A door is slammed shut.

0:44.5

Moments when life is reframed, divided between before and after.

0:49.6

Maya Shunker is a cognitive scientist.

0:52.1

She's a former White House advisor.

0:54.0

She hosts the award-winning podcast,

0:56.0

A Slight Change of Plans.

0:58.0

She spent years interviewing people about their experiences

1:00.0

with cataclysmic change,

1:02.0

illness, incarceration, loss, heartbreak.

1:05.0

What she found surprised her.

1:07.0

On the surface, these stories look nothing alike. But underneath, the same

1:13.0

psychology, the same patterns, and crucially, the same strategies for getting through. Her new book,

1:19.5

The Other Side of Change, which debuted at number two on the New York Times best other list,

1:24.3

is the manual she wished she'd had. Because Maya has her own before and after,

1:29.8

one that started all the way back when she was 15. Yeah, no, I would love to say that I met the

1:35.0

moment with perfect equanimity and such wisdom. Obviously, I did not. What she learned from her

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