The Science of Change
The Next Big Idea
Next Big Idea Club
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🗓️ 19 February 2026
⏱️ 54 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Caleb Bissinger, and I'm Rufus Griskin. |
| 0:03.0 | And this is the next big idea. |
| 0:06.0 | Today, who you become in life when everything changes. |
| 0:34.0 | A relationship implodes. |
| 0:36.3 | A routine checkup ends with a serious diagnosis. |
| 0:40.1 | A dream is dashed. |
| 0:41.9 | A door is slammed shut. |
| 0:44.5 | Moments when life is reframed, divided between before and after. |
| 0:49.6 | Maya Shunker is a cognitive scientist. |
| 0:52.1 | She's a former White House advisor. |
| 0:54.0 | She hosts the award-winning podcast, |
| 0:56.0 | A Slight Change of Plans. |
| 0:58.0 | She spent years interviewing people about their experiences |
| 1:00.0 | with cataclysmic change, |
| 1:02.0 | illness, incarceration, loss, heartbreak. |
| 1:05.0 | What she found surprised her. |
| 1:07.0 | On the surface, these stories look nothing alike. But underneath, the same |
| 1:13.0 | psychology, the same patterns, and crucially, the same strategies for getting through. Her new book, |
| 1:19.5 | The Other Side of Change, which debuted at number two on the New York Times best other list, |
| 1:24.3 | is the manual she wished she'd had. Because Maya has her own before and after, |
| 1:29.8 | one that started all the way back when she was 15. Yeah, no, I would love to say that I met the |
| 1:35.0 | moment with perfect equanimity and such wisdom. Obviously, I did not. What she learned from her |
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