Michael Pollan on the Mystery of Consciousness
The Next Big Idea
Next Big Idea Club
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🗓️ 23 February 2026
⏱️ 81 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey folks, quick note before we get started. |
| 0:02.4 | Our conversation today is a special one. |
| 0:05.1 | Every year at the Next Big Idea Club, we pick the six most important books, the ones we think everyone will be talking about. |
| 0:12.4 | And we send early copies to our members with a personal note from the author. |
| 0:17.4 | Our first selection of 2026 is A World Appears, a Journey into Consciousness by the one |
| 0:23.6 | and only Michael Pollan, who's our guest today. If you'd like to get an early copy of the book |
| 0:28.6 | and join our live conversation with Michael on March 10th, please join us. We'd love to see you there. |
| 0:34.2 | Just go to next big idea club.com. |
| 0:41.1 | I'm Rufus Criscom and I'm Caleb Bissinger |
| 0:42.5 | and this is the next big idea. |
| 0:45.1 | Today, Michael Pollan |
| 0:46.7 | takes us on a journey into consciousness. |
| 1:17.6 | Okay. One night in 1998, two men made a bet at a bar. |
| 1:21.9 | But this wasn't your usual bar bet, because these were unusual men. |
| 1:28.9 | One of them was David Chalmers, an Australian philosopher best known for coining the hard problem of consciousness. |
| 1:35.4 | How is it, he asked, that a few pounds of gray matter between our ears gives rise to thoughts, |
| 1:42.2 | feelings, and sensations? It was a question he believed scientists lacked the tools to answer. |
| 1:47.1 | His drinking partner, a German neuroscientist named Christoph Koch, he disagreed. |
| 1:57.2 | So he bet Chalmers a case of wine that within 25 years, scientists would find the physical footprint, the neural correlates of consciousness in the brain. |
| 2:01.6 | 25 years later, they met on stage in New York City. Oh my God, it's a case of wine. |
| 2:04.6 | I can see that off. |
| 2:05.6 | You lost. |
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