These are just anecdotes, but it's building up into something more coherent.

I think it'd be interesting to really try to unravel what his ties.

There's this sort of country city divide for their inconvenient ends, and it's not clear where it goes next.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production

of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

A little more than a week ago, the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza got a late-night phone call that

turned out to have fateful consequences.

Who leaked that to you?

Oh, man, I can't tell you that.

What's that?

I can't tell you that.

Okay, so I'm just going to, what I'm going to do is I will eliminate everybody in the

comms team and we'll start over.

There's no problem.

That's all. So I ask these guys not to leak anything and they can't help themselves, so we'll

eliminate everybody.

So is somebody in the comms team leaked that to you?

That's Anthony Scaramucci just days into his appointment as communications director.

He wanted to know who had given Liz Liz a certain piece of information, very minor

information about dinner at the White House and who was there. But the leaking thing had him

really angry. Okay, but you're an American citizen. This is a major catastrophe for the American

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