The Sacred Nature of Questioning Everything - Nonference 2025

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🗓️ 4 August 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Live from the 2025 Nonference, Mike and Tim (In the same room) are joined in studio by Journey Church Pastors Suzie P. Lind and Sam Barnhart. What does it mean to truly deconstruct faith, and how can that journey lead to healing? In this heartfelt and thought-provoking conversation, the hosts tackle the complexities of "deconstruction," exploring disillusionment, doubt, discipleship, and ultimately, the pursuit of Jesus amidst cultural challenges.

From addressing church hurt and systemic issues to reexamining theologies and navigating the intersection of faith and politics, this episode unpacks the role of the church in society and the personal journeys that shape our understanding of Christianity. Through themes of justice, cruciformity, and reimagining what it means to follow Jesus, the discussion dives deep into how cultural realities and historical practices influence our faith. The panel shares stories of heartbreak and hope, challenging the idea that questioning or rethinking faith is a departure from Jesus—instead, it’s often a move toward deeper authenticity.

Whether you're wrestling with theological questions, processing church trauma, or striving to navigate cultural issues as a follower of Jesus, this episode offers a space for reflection and community. Feel free to share your thoughts, send in your questions, or engage with us on Facebook and Instagram. Let’s continue pursuing a faith marked by humility, curiosity, and justice together.

CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Welcome to the Nonference
02:12 - The Tennessee Buzz
04:35 - Deconstruction: A Second Innocence
07:11 - The Six D's of Deconstruction
14:46 - Why People Are Disillusioned
18:18 - Did the Church Move or Did the Curtain Open
23:16 - Deconstruction as Repentance
28:32 - Discipleship in Deconstruction
29:41 - Understanding Deconversion
32:44 - Redefinition in Faith
34:58 - Navigating Doubt
38:50 - Biblical Foundations of Deconstruction
41:00 - Purpose of Inference
42:26 - Q&A: Insights from Stafford
49:49 - National Park Moments
51:09 - Experiencing Death and Grief
56:32 - Neuroscience of Belief
56:41 - Josh McDowell and the Talking Snake
1:02:40 - Embracing the Power of Weakness
1:03:12 - Thank You
1:04:08 - Credits

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0:00.0	Hey everybody.
0:09.6	Coming at you live from Nashville, Tennessee.
0:13.0	We are at the Journey Church World Headquarters, Brentwood, Tennessee, to be specific,
0:18.2	recording the Boxology podcast. Now if you were tuning in on YouTube,
0:23.5	you're going to notice we're in a very different studio. Tim Stafford and I are in the same room
0:26.5	accompanied by Susie Lind, Pastor Suzy Lind, and Pastor Sam Barnhart, who, though unfamiliar
0:33.3	to the Voxology audience, is familiar to anyone who is a fan of early 90s punk Christian
0:39.1	rock.
0:40.1	Come on.
0:41.1	One of the founding members, songwriters of the band Bleach.
0:46.6	But you know him now more for his modeling catalog.
0:50.3	That's right.
0:51.3	Jesse Penny specific.
0:53.3	Yes, exactly right. I'm a Brooks Brothers model. Yep. And I model OZMPIC before. Oh, that's all. Okay. And so absolutely. But anyway, Tim Stafford, I mean, we do this once a year. Once a year. We get together. Last year it was with Gamas and Susie. This year we've upgraded to Sam.
1:11.6	Come on.
1:12.6	Let's do it.
1:13.6	We are kicking off today, the third annual non-conference, non-ference for short.
1:20.6	And we decided two years ago, three years ago, that we wanted to do something that was not conferencing at all, but particularly for people who were in vocational ministry, who had been struggling with, do I stay or do I go?
1:33.3	I gotta quit vaping, and always. And we've done two years of that, and it's been absolutely amazing. Almost 40 people have gone through it.
1:43.3	Susie and Lisa and Tim had the
1:46.1	idea of doing one for people who were not vocational ministers per se but have been hurt or wounded by
1:51.8	the church. And so we've got 30 people showing up today in a couple of hours to spend three
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