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THE RUSSIAN CONNECTION: 3/8: The Oswalds: An Untold Account of Marina and Lee by Paul R. Gregory

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🗓️ 23 July 2023

⏱️ 13 minutes

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THE RUSSIAN CONNECTION: 3/8: The Oswalds: An Untold Account of Marina and Lee by Paul R. Gregory

https://www.amazon.com/Oswalds-Untold-Account-Marina-Lee/dp/1635768217

Merely two hours after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, television cameras captured police escorting a suspect into Dallas police headquarters. Meanwhile at the University of Oklahoma, watching the coverage in the student center, Paul Gregory scanned the figure in dark trousers and a white, V-neck tee shirt and saw the bruised and battered face of Lee Harvey Oswald. Shocked, Gregory said, “I know that man.” In fact, he knew Oswald and his wife Marina better than almost anyone in America.


After sixty years, Paul Gregory finally tells everything he knows about the Oswalds and how he watched the soul of a killer take shape.
Identified by the FBI as a “known associate of LHO,” Gregory soon faced interrogations by the Secret Service. Later he would testify before the Warren Commission. Here, in The Oswalds, he offers the intimate details of his time spent with Lee and wife Marina in their run-down duplex on Mercedes Street in Fort Worth, Texas, and his admission into the inner world of a young marriage before candidly assessing the murder that marked a turning point in our country’s history. His riveting recollection includes memories both casual and deadly serious, such as the dinner at his parents’ house introducing Marina to the “Dallas Russians,” a front-yard incident of spousal abuse, and a further rift in the marriage when he exposed to Marina that Oswald was not the dashing, radical intellectual whose Historic Diary would be a publishing sensation. And Gregory also gives a fascinating account of his father’s role as an eyewitness to history, serving as Marina’s translator and confidante in the first four days after the assassination.
As a scholar and skilled researcher, Gregory debunks the vast array of assassination conspiracy theories by demonstrating that Lee Harvey Oswald did it and did it alone—that the Oswald he once called a friend had the motive, the intelligence, and the means to commit one of the most shocking crimes in American history.

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This episode is brought to you by Lion's Gate Plus.

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0:10.1

Follow Catherine the Second, played by Elle Fanning and Peter The Great, played by Nicholas

0:13.7

Holt, as they hilariously attempt to make their marriage work after some seemingly insurmountable

0:18.2

problems.

0:19.2

From attempt to murder and the imprisonment of close friends to their never-ending legal

0:22.6

responsibilities.

0:24.0

The Great, season three, is streaming exclusively on Lion's Gate Plus.

0:30.0

On John Daxler, Paul Gregory is the author of the new book The Oswalds, an untold account

0:40.8

of Marina and Lee Oswald.

0:43.2

It is the summer of 1962, Paul's at home with his family and taking Russian conversation

0:51.0

lessons from Marina Oswald, intending to pay Marina for her labor.

0:58.1

They quickly establish a routine where Paul goes over, perhaps twice a week, about six

1:04.1

certain afternoon after Lee Harvey Oswald has come home from his day labor.

1:09.8

And then they sit and converse.

1:12.0

One of the most vivid parts of the book to me, having read it in manuscript before, is

1:17.9

when Paul comes into their modest room, there are very few conveniences.

1:23.4

There's no fan, there's no air conditioning.

1:25.4

This is a summer in Dallas Fort Worth.

1:28.5

And you see a time magazine, who's on the cover, Paul, and where did it come from?

1:34.7

That's something of a mystery on the cover was none other than President Kennedy.

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