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Welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Thursday, April 5th.

The Roseanne is Back edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's Invisibilia, and in New York, as always, we have June Thomas, managing producer of Slate Podcasts. Hi, June. Hey, Hannah. And Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Hi, Hannah. So before we get into our topics, I will say one, thank you listeners for all your how to raise boys tips. I feel like we've gotten a ton of them over the last couple weeks. But the thing I actually

want to talk about in our listener email this week is Cardi B and the people who were offended that

we didn't mention Cardi B's implants. Like why were we using Cardi B as a model for women given the implants?

I don't really know what to say about that. I didn't even think about that.

I just figure it's like how celebrities are, you know? You guys have anything to say? Do you feel

bad about that? I don't. I mean, choice feminism. I'm happy to toggle back and forth between

choice feminism and any other kind of. I don't know. I just, yeah, it doesn't bug me.

And for me, as I think I said last time, this is like living under capitalism. She found

that she got more, she had more money once she had implants and she made that choice. Is that

the ideal world that I would love to live in? No. Is it reality? It was certainly her. So yeah. Yeah. And it's like we wouldn't be like, we wouldn't criticize an actress for dyeing her hair blonde, you know, what they're, sure, I understand the breast implants are a different thing, but it seems like a strange thing to focus on, given the totality of Cardi B. And I feel like we give her a pass because she owns it, you know?

She's all about it. It's not like she's trying to hide. Right. She's definitely not trying to hide. Exactly. All right. So our topics for today. Another woman who takes up a room, Roseanne, the comedy series is back after 20 years. How do we reconcile the show, which was

groundbreaking for women with its creator who's a Trump supporter who regularly tweets 4chan

style conspiracy theories. We talk about that. Second, the trial of Noor Salman, the wife of the

Orlando Pulse shooter. Was it right to put her on trial? We talk with special guest Rachel

Louise Snyder, who's been covering the trial for the New Yorker. And finally, theybys. That's how you pronounce it, right, Noreen? Babies. Babies. Rimes with babies. Yes, theybees raised as a they. We talk about a new generation of parents who declined to tell the world what gender their baby and toddler is.

And then our Slate Plus this week, June, you want to say what it is?

Yes, on Slate Plus this week, we'll be asking if it is right for New York State authorities to

make a case against the wing, a women-only kind of workspace here in New York City and soon expanding throughout the

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