The Role of Joy in High-Performance Leadership with Kate Bowler
Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast
Andy Stanley
4.6 • 2.3K Ratings
🗓️ 4 May 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
Joy isn’t optional for leaders, it’s what keeps you connected to the story that makes your work matter.
In this episode, Andy sits down with Kate Bowler to explore why joy isn’t a distraction from leadership—it’s what sustains it. Joy doesn’t come from solving every problem or achieving every goal. Instead, it reconnects leaders to the deeper story behind their work—the reason it matters in the first place.
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Here's what they cover in this episode:
- The difference between happiness and joy and why it matters (04:30)
- Why joy shows up in hard moments—not just easy ones (06:40)
- Burnout isn’t just exhaustion—it’s losing the story (10:45)
- How busyness crowds out joy (and what to do about it) (11:30)
- Can you actually practice joy? (14:30)
- Why leaders need joy to stay connected to purpose (17:10)
- Three ways to become more open to joy: do, love, hope (20:45)
- The danger of worshiping productivity (22:00)
- Toxic positivity vs. honest joy (25:00)
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everybody, welcome to the Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, a conversation designed to help |
| 0:07.0 | leaders go further, faster. I'm Andy Stanley, and before we jump into today's content, I want to |
| 0:12.8 | share a special offer once again from our friends at Belay. Every leader, every leader has parts |
| 0:18.6 | of the job they love, and parts of the job, Well, let's be honest, that we don't. |
| 0:22.7 | And for a lot of leaders, managing the day-to-day finances falls into that second category, |
| 0:28.9 | or at least I know it does for me. |
| 0:30.4 | But just because it needs to get done doesn't mean that you need to do it or that you're |
| 0:35.5 | even the best person to do it. |
| 0:37.7 | As we talk about all the time on the podcast, when we are working outside of our strengths |
| 0:41.8 | and outside of our interests, we just lose energy. |
| 0:45.3 | And there's an increased likelihood that we're going to make mistakes. |
| 0:49.0 | And when it comes to your organization's finances, mistakes can be, well, they can become |
| 0:52.7 | expensive quick. |
| 0:55.4 | They take time to fix, assuming they can be fixed,, they can become expensive quick. They take time to fix, |
| 0:59.7 | assuming they can be fixed, and they pull our attention away from doing what only we can do. |
| 1:04.4 | But here's the good news. When the financial side of your organization is handled by someone who is trained for it and actually enjoys it, everything gets clearer, more accurate, |
| 1:10.7 | and more sustainable. And that's where |
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| 1:27.8 | resource, the guide to outsourced accounting. This resource will walk you through what to outsource, |
| 1:34.4 | who to trust it with, and how the process works. If managing the finances is pulling you away |
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