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This is Deep State Radio coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington DC and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to the second episode in a special limited series of podcasts from the DSR Network. This episode is the second half of our first road to cop 28 roundtable hosted by Dean Emerida of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University Rachel Kite.

This second episode, the second half of the discussion that you may have heard last week or you may have heard it just the other day if that's when you downloaded it, features more from our fantastic panel of climate experts and an appearance by Senator Ben Cardin to share his insights from previous cop events.

We hope that you will join us each and every week for more in this very important series which will continue all the way until the cop meeting takes place in December.

Please note that this series of programs has been sponsored in part by a grant from the UAE Embassy in the United States. The UAE is the host nation for cop 28.

However, it should be noted for this as for all DSR podcasts. All content is completely editorially independent and each of the independent chair people of the roundtables has been solely responsible for the direction of the conversations you hear which are offered to recorded exactly as they occurred and unedited.

So let's pick up where we left off last time with a question from chairperson Rachel Kite.

So back to Mark and to Miguel. There is this question of equity or of justice.

Now everybody in the planet got us to this point. Sometimes those who add the least to do with the trajectory of emissions that brought us to this point are the most vulnerable within a country as well as between countries.

Does that does that get in the way of how we can talk about the science or bring the science into the conversation.

Or how do we how do we sort of build a broader coalition of action based on the fact that there are there are there are countries and there are communities within countries on whom the burden for doing more has to fall right.

Manuel, sorry.

No problem. You know that that is the most common mistake or an English native speaker between Manuel and Miguel.

Yes, terrible.

No, no, no problem.

So let me connect the two discussion.

So something that I think it is happening and David said it clear.

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