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This is Deep State Radio coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington DC and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm your host David Rochka and this is, of course, the DSR mother ship. The the one and only original DSR podcast and we are joined by two of our originals in every sense of the word.

One being Dr. Corey shocky of the American Enterprise Institute. How are you doing Corey?

I am so very well, David. Thank you for asking.

I'm glad that's true and David Sanger of the New York Times. How are you doing David?

Well, probably not as well as Corey who looks relaxed, you know, whatever, but you know, juggling a couple deadlines. I'll be all right.

Well, Corey looks relaxed, but that's, you know, that's that's a product of years of training. She is very weighty issues on her mind.

You know, you know, you're always, but I've been writing the George Washington chapter of my history of civil military relations. So I am very relaxed.

Are you, does that mean you're 250 years from completion?

I'm eight chapters from completion, but yeah.

And by comparison, I've been writing the Will the Russians use nuclear weapons portion of my next book, which leaves you unrelaxed.

And you know, it was never an issue that Washington took up 250 years ago unless Corey's telling me differently.

Well, I'm writing that would that would be news breaking.

Well, that's true. I'm writing the second version of my book proposal, having had it accepted and then said,

no, I don't think I want to do it that way.

And so you are better scholar than me, David. I struggle. I cannot write book proposals because I never really have a great sense that the trajectory of the story I'm telling until I'm about halfway through.

Well, that's what happened to me. No, that's exactly what happened to me. I thought, I'm going to tell this story.

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