You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on Strategy, Defense, and Foreign Affairs.

I'm Carrie Anderson, membership editor here at War on the Rocks. What you're about to hear is a special public release

of Thinking the Unthinkable, our bi-weekly members-only podcast hosted by Anka Panda. This show explores

the evolving dangers of a new nuclear era, and it's available exclusively to War on the Rocks members.

We're sharing this episode widely because of fast-moving events.

India has just launched strikes inside Pakistan,

responding to a deadly April 22nd terrorist attack in Kashmir.

With tensions running high between two nuclear-armed rivals, the stakes are sobering.

This episode, with guest Samir Lalwani, was recorded shortly

before the attack, but digs into the risks of nuclear war and the event of an attack. So it's not

only relevant, but a must listen episode. You can listen to every episode of Thinking the Unthinkable,

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Your You're listening to Thinking the Unthinkable,

the member's only show for War on the Rocks on All Things Nuclear Weapons.

As always, I'm your host, Ankit Ponda.

I'm the Stanson Senior Fellow in the Nuclear Policy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, D.C. On today's show, I return to South Asia, where India and Pakistan

once again finds themselves in the throw of a serious crisis that could very quickly take

on a nuclear dimension. Joining me to discuss the stakes in this crisis, the background, and more

is Samir Lalwani.

You may have heard him just recently on the warcast, but Samir goes a lot deeper on many of the

issues that he alluded to on that show. Samir is the former senior expert in the Asia Center

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