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Some of our staff who work on vaccine science or other high-profile topics don't want to present publicly right now and don't want their names on papers.

There's certainly an element of revenge that you can see in his actions as a secretary.

The layoffs are hitting everywhere from the FDA to CDC and National Institutes of Health.

Today on the frontline dispatch, the final installment of the rise of RFK Jr. If you disrupt and dismantle vaccination programs, people will die.

It's just an absolute reality.

We've been listening to Frontline's new documentary and speaking to its director, Michael Kirk.

It's in this episode, Part 4, that Robert Kennedy Jr., a man whose name is basically

synonymous with Democrats, joins up with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, and finally ascends

to power.

You know, the CDC is an agency that is very troubled, and it's going to require getting rid of some

people over the long term in order

for us to change the institutional culture. I'm Rainey Aronson Roth, editor-in-chief and executive

producer of Frontline, and this is the Frontline Dispatch.

I'm joined once again by Michael Kirk, director of the Rise of RFK Jr. to set the scene for this most recent chapter of Bobby's life. Michael, welcome back.

Thanks. It's great to be here, Rainey. Thank you.

So, Michael, you've made so many films about political figures, and I'd love to know what was different about this one. The richness of the backstory and the way that you

could pull everything you learned early in the film and throughout the film back to the very end of the

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