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slash voxpod welcome to recode media of peter kofka that is me and today I've got two really cool chats with two interesting,

compelling journalists. The first one is Insiders Cat Denbarge. And it's about a story she wrote

last week. It's a blockbuster story about YouTube star David Dobrick and accusations of sexual

assault aimed at some of his associates and him as well. It's been fascinating to watch

the blowback from that story. I think part of it's attributed to Katz reporting, which seems

pretty airtight, but also the newfound sensitivity. I guess it's not that newfound. It's a few

years now. We've seen from big companies about these kind of accusations and an extraordinary

response from big venture capital, which I have not ever seen before.

And I'm curious to see whether that sensitivity sticks around.

This is part of the landscape now.

I'm also curious about the online influencer ecosystem, where there's a lot of potential rewards and upside for young people

and not a lot of guardrails, and seems like probably not sustainable so we'll see also

talked with julia angwin she's the editor-in-chief of the markup that's the really interesting and

provocative data-driven investigative site it's funded in large part by craig newmark of craigslist fame

the last time we talked to julia was a few years ago and it's when she had just started the markup. In fact, the markup didn't really exist. She had just announced that she was going to do it. And then subsequently, she was fired and then rehired. There was a lot of drama around that. You probably paid some attention to it. And we talked about that story, but I really wanted to talk about her work. She's doing really important work, looking behind the scenes, under the covers, in the black box of big tech.

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