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The Rich are Falling in Love with Antiracism / Jennifer C. Pan

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🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Jennifer C. Pan joins This Is Hell! to talk about her new book “Selling Social Justice: Why The Rich Love Antiracism” published by Verso Books. (https://www.versobooks.com/products/2919-selling-social-justice) Jennifer C. Pan is a writer in Los Angeles whose work has appeared in the Nation, the Atlantic, Dissent, Damage, and elsewhere. She was formerly a host of the Jacobin Show and a staff writer at the New Republic. A new installment of “This Week In Rotten History” from Renaldo Migaldi follows the interview. Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: www.patreon.com/thisishell Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon.

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0:00.0

Kill on a white man

0:02.0

Kill on a white man

0:05.0

Keele on a white man

0:07.0

Keele on a white man

0:09.0

Keele on a white man

0:11.0

Kicking up This is hell.

0:33.6

Chris, I didn't really understand the very subtle message of the music that you were playing beforehand.

0:44.3

It's a song that came in my head just recently. I've heard in the last some years of the band No Effects did a song kill all the white man.

0:51.3

I thought it was kind of funny.

0:53.3

So it tells you what it's going to be and it repeats it over and over and over again. Yeah, it starts out with the reggae tone, but it's kind of cool. Sure, but at the same time, you know, Kill All the White Man. If that's the title of your song, it delivers, right? That's to the point, I guess. Sure. Behind every great fortune lies a great crime because this is hell. If you found out that someone

1:17.5

profited not only from the murder of an unarmed black man by police, but the movement for justice

1:24.2

that arose from that killing, you would likely be filled with disgust.

1:29.0

But who knows?

1:30.0

The establishment media today is giving plenty of coverage to the fascist idea of empathy being toxic.

1:37.6

And if you thought anti-critical race theory was obnoxious, wait until the criminalizing of compassion for others becomes the new normal.

1:46.8

Wherever the reactionary far-right Christian nationalists find their less than charitable

1:54.2

morals and ethics today, the rest of us likely agree that we should do unto others as we would want others to do unto us, or something similar

2:03.9

within whatever faith you practice or non-religious worldview you hold.

2:09.5

It's why the uprisings against the police murder of George Floyd got so much traction,

2:14.7

becoming the largest protest movement ever in the United States, more than

2:19.3

the previous record-holding February 2003 protests against the war in Iraq. But like those protests

2:26.3

that did not stop the Iraq war, the protests against racialized police killings also did not

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