The Revenge Presidency with Maggie Haberman

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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As the One Big Beautiful Bill Act lumbers through Congress, President Trump lobs threats at Russian President Vladimir Putin on Truth Social, and the administration continues its war against Harvard, we’re bringing back New York Times reporter and de facto Trump chronicler Maggie Haberman to weigh in on the president’s state of mind. Kara and Maggie talk about the startling scale of disinformation coming out of the White House, Trump’s ambivalent relationship to Supreme Court rulings and democratic norms, and his ever-widening campaign of retribution against institutions and individuals, (including pop stars like Maggie’s favorite, Bruce Springsteen). They also revisit Haberman’s prescient analysis from earlier this year that Stephen Miller is wielding immense power within the administration and discuss whether Elon’s power is shrinking or he’s simply slipping out of public view. This episode was taped on the afternoon of Tuesday, May 27th, before Elon Musk spoke out against the omnibus bill and Russia proposed to hold peace talks with Ukraine. Questions? Comments? Email us at [email protected] or find us on Instagram, TikTok, and Bluesky @onwithkaraswisher. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	It's on.
0:02.0	Hi, everyone from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
0:16.0	This is On with Kara Swisher and I'm Kara Swisher.
0:19.0	My guest today is Maggie Haberman, a White House correspondent for the New York Times and a political analyst for CNN. This is the third time Maggie has come on the podcast and we always have a fantastic conversation. Maggie's been covering Trump since when he was a real estate guy in Queens and someone who knows him really well and has covered every stage of his career, which makes it important to read what she has to say
0:39.6	about where we are now with President Trump.
0:41.8	Confidence man, Maggie's bestselling book from 2022,
0:45.0	showed how Trump's familial upbringing
0:46.9	and his roots as a 1980s New York real estate developer
0:50.1	formed him, shaped his worldview,
0:52.0	and basically informs who he is as a person.
0:54.7	One of the things I really like about Maggie is she often goes contrary to other people.
0:58.6	When Trump was on the down and out, she was the only person who said to me, just watch.
1:03.0	He's going to get up again.
1:04.1	And in fact, he did.
1:05.9	And when the election was happening, she thought he had a very good chance when others did not.
1:10.3	So the book comes out in paperback on June 10th, including added material from her. So it's a perfect time
1:15.8	to have her on for Trump, the sequel. Our expert question comes from the Daily Show correspondent
1:21.6	and co-host Jordan Klepper. So stick around.
1:40.3	Support for the show comes from CyberArk.
1:45.7	Did you know that 93% of organizations have experienced an identity-related breach in the last year?
1:49.8	With cyber attacks on the rise, every identity in your organization is a potential target,
1:53.8	so securing each one of those identities with the right level of privilege controls is essential.
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