I'm Jonathan Cape Heart and this is Cape Up. In his new book Rise Up confronting a country at the crossroads,

Reverend Al Sharpton confronts a lot of issues and we talk about most of them.

Lauté liberals, Republican pimps, toxic masculinity in the black community.

We talk about the front relationship between blacks and the LGBTQ community

and how Sharpton's accepting heart helped me years ago.

And given the state of our nation today, Sharpton explains why

it's imperative that you rise up. Here at all, right now.

Reverend Al Sarpton. Welcome to the podcast for the first time.

Well, thank you. I'm glad to be with you, Jonathan.

Your book, Rise Up, was really terrific.

It really was.

And hopefully we can squeeze in as much as we can to talk about it.

One of the things that you write about

that I found very interesting, you coined this term,

Latte liberals.

Who are they?

They are people that call themselves progressive and they sit around theorizing and philosophizing

and even strategizing but never really get into the fight.

They don't get their hands dirty.

They're not at the marches.

They're not registered voters.

They're not engaged with people.

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