Hello there I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd Tass. So we are in the month of January

2023 which for politics and campaign reporters also means we are officially in the is a chapter

one or the forward will decide but I'd say it's chapter one of the 2024 campaign. Obviously

the presidential race will be the big focus on the minds of campaign reporters for the next 21

months but down ballot we've seen some moves on the Senate mat. We got Senator Debbie Stabinel

announcing quickly that she's not going to run again in 2024 and over in California the assumption

is Dine Fine Sign is not going to seek another term and you already have Congresswoman Katie Porter

who came becoming the first candidate with her name in the mix for the seat for that seat. Obviously

at some point we expect fine-stunning to officially tell us she's not seeking reelection. Some people

would like to see her resign her seat. I don't think that's going to happen but we shall see so

joining me to talk about 2011 I mean 2023 sorry some of us are having flashbacks. Is Josh

a cross-shot or senior political correspondent at Exeos and Lee and Cold War co-author of the Washington

Post early 202. So I kind of want to do this as a you know I would have done this last week to be

frank but last week was a bit disrupted by by the drama over Kevin McCarthy but it's sort of like

you know this year in politics is you know for me I always think of odd numbered years as sort of

the year that we get ready for the fall for the next year so exactly I'm always in two year

increments in my head but it doesn't but but everything that happens in 2023 will shape things

in 2024 which is we already are seeing that take place now. So Leanne let me start with you you

know so neither one of you we're covering this in 1995 the first time we had this phenomenon of

of the house flipping in the first term of a midterm like this and here we are this is certainly the

fourth time now I think out of the four at the last five presidents who have lost the

how control the house in their first midterm three Democrats and Trump and in three of the four

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