This is Robbie Gupta and you're listening to The Regressives, a narrative podcast series from Lost

Debate that examines progressive policies, ideas, and leaders in practice.

And this is a series that we drop every now and then on the Lost Debate show feed.

So if you came here for the regular Lost Debate show, I hope you

stick around, but also know that our regular shows for that show drop Tuesdays and Thursdays.

But in these Regressive episodes, I take a step back as somebody who's been a veteran at progressive

campaigns and say, well, how do liberals profess values and practices line up? And where are the out of sync?

And this podcast is dedicated to shining a light on any discrepancies that are there between

those values and practices in the hopes of eliminating them. And today I'm really excited because

my friend Chavar Jeffries is on the podcast. He ran for Mayor of Newark back in the day,

and he's now the president of Democrats for Education Reform and the national president of

education reform now. And he's been pushing for school choice for every child in the U.S.

And in particular, he's been fighting to have a different conversation about what school choice

even means and particularly trying to push progressives

to think critically about the kinds of choice that they exercise versus the kinds of choice

that they're shutting off from kids around the country. And that's a lot of what we talk about

in this podcast, which is like how do we improve our schools and offer options to families,

especially the most vulnerable, while also taking care of our

educators, while also bringing more people to the table and being more inclusive. And so that's what we're

here to talk about. But Chavar is also a hardcore lawyer. He's a super impressive guy who used to run the

class action litigation clinic at Seton Hall. He was a counselor to the Attorney General of the

state of New Jersey.

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