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Welcome to today's podcast, sponsored by Hillsdale College, all things Hillsdale at Hillsdale.

I encourage you to take advantage of the many free online courses there. And of course, I'll listen to the Hillsdale Dialogues, all of them at Hugh for Hillsdale.com or just Google Apple, iTunes, and Hillsdale. Good morning, Gloria, evening, Grace, America. I'm Hugh Hew. What a pleasure to begin today's show with an old friend Mark Levin, the great one himself, joins me.

He's the author of this brand new bestseller on power. Mark, welcome back. I haven't talked to you

in a while, and I've got a lot of questions about this, but let me do a wellness check. Everything

well in your world? Let me look. Yeah, I'm doing great. Thank you, brother.

You look great.

I should tell the audience, I've been talking with Mr. Levin since 1984 when he came in to the Department of Justice, took over the Attorney General's office as his chief of staff and made the trains run on time and actually got a lot of stuff done.

What he writes about in On Power is exactly what he talked about in 1984.

Mark, would you say that you are unchanged in your fundamental beliefs since then?

I am unchanged. Look, you have certain principles, certain belief systems.

I think if there's any change, it's sort of on their application, and not that often and so forth.

But look, either you're right or wrong about your values, your morals, and your principles.

And that's my attitude about it.

I've not had to change any of that.

In fact, my view is I try to promote it, you know, on every platform I have as much as possible in my writings and on radio and TV and so forth.

So my goal is to advance and institute my principles not to change. I believe that you have consistently

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