I'm Jane Marie, and this is the dream.

One big dream a lot of people have is fame, either by, you know, becoming an influencer of some sort,

or maybe you get cast on a reality show.

And then that reality show spins off a show all about you, which is another show.

And then you find someone to get

married to, and then that's its own show. Fame is a universal pursuit. But the pathways to that

fame have really changed over the last few decades. We wanted to talk to someone who was there

from pretty much the beginning on big shows like Big Brother, Love Island.

Before we were watching TikToks all day, every day, swiping, swiping, doom scrolling, watching YouTube's, YouTube's, YouTube shorts.

When there was just a couple of television shows on, what were we amusing ourselves with?

And who was on those shows?

And why did they want to go on those shows? Did they want the dream? Yeah, so I am Danny Vickram Bell.

I'm kind of like theoretically a TV producer. I kind of like work on things that get filmed.

Some of them are TV shows. Some of them are events. Some of them are just random as fuck.

We'll go back to the beginning. Where are you from? You sound funny.

My funny accent is I'm from the north of England. I live in London. I've kind of like my

career has always been, I work all over the place, but my career has always been kind of based

out of London. Went to film school, dreaming of like making films, went straight from film school

into a graduate trainee thing with this, at the time, really influential, really cool TV company

in London called Planet 24. And they were like, they were co-owned by Bob Geldof.

Who is way more famous over there than here, but.

But yeah, like, it's this kind of company.

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