The Real Story Behind Elon And Trump

The New Abnormal

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

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🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

Joanna Coles sits down with Michael Wolff, the best-selling biographer of Donald Trump who has become his definitive chronicler. Wolff reveals Trump's the real reason for the president's pick-me-energy hair. He tells how Trump has been making an extraordinary racially charged observation to West Wing visitors about modern college students—and Wolff reacts to Trump going after him for saying that the war on Harvard was a revenge attack because 18-year-old Donald didn't get in. Wolff reveals what's really being said inside the president's inner circle about the Lucifer-like fall of Elon Musk and explains what it really means about the prospects for anyone who put themselves in Trump's orbit. And he resurfaces Stormy Daniels' very telling anecdote about who blew up Trump's phone when the two were engaged in their tryst—which of course, Trump still denies.

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0:00.0	I'm Joanna Cole, Chief Content Officer of The Daily Beast, and you are either listening to, watching, possibly dancing, to, fencing, jousting to the Daily Beast podcast.
0:13.9	This week we're going to get straight into it because we are joined by your favourite guest and mine, the obscenely bestselling Michael Wolfe.
0:22.4	And we're going to go deep into the mind of Donald Trump, our favourite place.
0:27.0	And who knows what we will find?
0:31.0	So Michael, I noticed a video of Donald Trump talking about how hot he was.
0:36.7	And also, obviously, during the campaign, he remarked that he thought he was much hotter than Carmelah.
0:41.9	What do you think, as someone who studied him intensely for the last 10 years,
0:47.5	what do you think Donald Trump sees when he looks at himself in the mirror?
0:52.5	Well, he sees Donald Trump.
0:54.8	So, I mean, he sees this creation, which I think he's, I suppose, rightly, very proud of.
1:03.1	I mean, it is the creation of our time.
1:06.1	The whole thing, what you see is by design.
1:16.1	He looks that way because he thinks that's an effective way to look.
1:23.0	There's a moment in the Stormy Daniels book. I mean, there are several kind of key moments there. In her book on her whole situation. Yes. You know, including when they're lying together, he gets a phone call and it's from Hillary Clinton.
1:31.6	I'm going to stop you there because I have not read Stormy Daniels book. What is the conversation like with Hillary?
1:38.6	It's a flattery session. All Donald Trump's conversations are flattery sessions.
1:46.4	And that says, Hillary, you're wonderful.
1:49.7	We're so lucky that we have you, that kind of thing.
1:52.2	And this was before they were running against each other.
1:55.7	Yes, and as Stormy is lying beside him.
1:57.3	Gripping, absolutely gripping.
2:01.3	But then there's this another point, and I have never heard this before.
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