The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hello and welcome to the very special books edition of Slate Money.

I'm excited about this one. I've been lining it up for a little while.

Slate Money is normally your guide to the business and finance news of the week,

but this week we are taking a step back into the wonderful world of nonfiction books,

many of which are fabulous. And on today's show, we have not one but two special guests

here to tell us all about their new books.

This is excellent.

First, we are going to talk to John Lancaster about his book, How to Speak Money.

And then the very talented Jake Halpin will join us and talk about his book, Bad Paper, Chasing Debt from Wall Street to the Underworld.

And we'll close with a discussion of our favorite money books and the ones that have most shaped our thinking.

Thanks to listener David Katz for that suggestion.

But first, let me introduce my regular guests, Kathy O'Neill, the data scientist and blogger at mathbabe.org.

Hi, Felix.

Hi, Kathy. And Jordan Weisman, Slate's Moneybox columnist, back from Points East. You're in Paris?

I was in Paris and Leone. I walked my way through Paris and

ate my way through Leon, and I'm very happy to have done it. Fantastic. And so now let me introduce

John Lancaster. John, what is your new book? It's called How to Speak Money, What the Money People

Say and What They Really Mean, and it's about the language of finance and economics.

And Kathy, you've read this book. I read this book. It's written by a novelist. John, you're a novelist, are you not? I do think of that as my day job. And which means it's gloriously readable, is it not? Yeah, this is like, I'll tell you what, it's so different from the books I usually read.

When I started reading at the introduction, readable, is it not? Yeah, this is like, I'll tell you what, it's so different from the books I usually read.

When I started reading at the introduction made me want to like pull out a highlighter and highlight a couple lines.

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