It's easy to tell ourselves that we're living in the world that we wanted.

Where Darwinian evolution driving a win-lose game between competing technology platforms was

destined to turn out a more addicted, outraged, polarized society. Where ruthless competition

and markets between companies is destined to produce the world that we live in.

Where a win-lose game between nations to maximize GDP and forget about carbon emissions is all

that's possible, that evolution and competition are all there is.

And if that's a complete description of what's driving the world and our collective destiny,

that can feel pretty hopeless.

But what if that's not the whole story of evolution?

Our guest today is evolutionary theorist, author and professor, David Sloan Wilson.

And he's documented where an enlightened game, one of cooperation rather than competition,

is possible. His work proves that humans can choose values like cooperation,

altruism, and group success over individual competition and selfishness.

Because evolution isn't just genetic, it's cultural, and it's a choice.

I'm Tristan Harris. I'm Azaraskin. And in a moment in history where we're headed isn't what

we actually want. It's time to slow down and ask, is a different kind of conscious evolution possible?

Today on your Andivided Attention, we're going to update the Darwinian principles of evolution

using David's critical scientific lens and find ways that we can cooperate,

ranging from how small communities can do this, all the way up to potentially global technology

companies. And if the world doesn't have to be this way, that gives us real reason to hope.

Welcome to your Andivided Attention. Today I am thrilled to be welcoming David Sloan Wilson.

It's a conversation I have been long looking forward to both Tristan and I, because it's so

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